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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-7681</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Guys, I think this is one of those mission critical conversations we need to continue to have!! Dave, thanks for bringing it up bro!  Personally, I don&#039;t have enough fingers even if I&#039;m counting with both of my hands when it comes to cases of moral failures of our brothers in ministry that was brought to my attention personally or indirectly in recent memory. And ironically if not all, most times I seen most Asian American churches ( and non-Asian) enforce no disciplinary actions whatsoever! The worse that the leadership does is fire a Pastor quietly ( Or most of the time simply deny it or completely ignore it!) Then these pastors get hired by another Church because Asian churches for some odd reasons do not check any references from previous churches for some odd reason!!!!!???? ( still scratching my head with that one!). Here&#039;s the punch-line folks: We must return to true &quot;Biblical&quot; spiritual maturity and value integrity and character over Talent and Spiritual gifting! The truth is we might not verbalize it, but the church today is not that much different from Professional Sports or Hollywood: We simply value gifts over integrity and the results have been detrimental to our churches. The church is really sick and honestly it&#039;s up to us as pastors to a create a system that promotes confession and accountability among us. This is one of the conversations we&#039;re going to have in the Third Lausanne Congress in Cape-town South Africa in 2010 called by Billy Graham. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lausanne.org/cape-town-2010;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lausanne.org/cape-town-2010;&lt;/a&gt; how the church has drastically failed in discipleship and what we need to do to change that. Lastly, I leave you guys with a thought i had for a while.... Every time I go to the bathroom in a public eater, I&#039;m convicted by the Spirit by a short sign and try my best to apply it my own life: &quot;All employees must wash their hands before going back to work&quot;. I wonder what would happen to our churches if we all took that assertion seriously and lived a confessed life with one another?! ( Maybe Revival, I dream!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Guys, I think this is one of those mission critical conversations we need to continue to have!! Dave, thanks for bringing it up bro!  Personally, I don&#39;t have enough fingers even if I&#39;m counting with both of my hands when it comes to cases of moral failures of our brothers in ministry that was brought to my attention personally or indirectly in recent memory. And ironically if not all, most times I seen most Asian American churches ( and non-Asian) enforce no disciplinary actions whatsoever! The worse that the leadership does is fire a Pastor quietly ( Or most of the time simply deny it or completely ignore it!) Then these pastors get hired by another Church because Asian churches for some odd reasons do not check any references from previous churches for some odd reason!!!!!???? ( still scratching my head with that one!). Here&#39;s the punch-line folks: We must return to true &#8220;Biblical&#8221; spiritual maturity and value integrity and character over Talent and Spiritual gifting! The truth is we might not verbalize it, but the church today is not that much different from Professional Sports or Hollywood: We simply value gifts over integrity and the results have been detrimental to our churches. The church is really sick and honestly it&#39;s up to us as pastors to a create a system that promotes confession and accountability among us. This is one of the conversations we&#39;re going to have in the Third Lausanne Congress in Cape-town South Africa in 2010 called by Billy Graham. <a href="http://www.lausanne.org/cape-town-2010;" rel="nofollow">http://www.lausanne.org/cape-town-2010;</a> how the church has drastically failed in discipleship and what we need to do to change that. Lastly, I leave you guys with a thought i had for a while&#8230;. Every time I go to the bathroom in a public eater, I&#39;m convicted by the Spirit by a short sign and try my best to apply it my own life: &#8220;All employees must wash their hands before going back to work&#8221;. I wonder what would happen to our churches if we all took that assertion seriously and lived a confessed life with one another?! ( Maybe Revival, I dream!)</p>
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		<title>By: MDSF</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-7551</link>
		<dc:creator>MDSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might gently suggest on the basis of my limited experience with pastors who ruin their ministry through sexual sin that pastors who are otherwise spiritually healthy and slip into sexual sin are the exception rather than the rule; they&#039;re typically unaccountable generally, either pathological personalities or &quot;Moses model&quot; types who genuinely believe that a pastor shouldn&#039;t be accountable to anyone for anything.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any sort of sexual sin is just an easily identifiable transgression and much less a matter of opinion than e.g. greed, joylessness, or contempt for fellow believers; as a result churches tend to let their pastor off the hook for these other sins, and treat him as &quot;other&quot; or &quot;special&quot; until he commits a sin that is an easily identifiable event with an identifiable victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might gently suggest on the basis of my limited experience with pastors who ruin their ministry through sexual sin that pastors who are otherwise spiritually healthy and slip into sexual sin are the exception rather than the rule; they&#39;re typically unaccountable generally, either pathological personalities or &#8220;Moses model&#8221; types who genuinely believe that a pastor shouldn&#39;t be accountable to anyone for anything.</p>
<p>Any sort of sexual sin is just an easily identifiable transgression and much less a matter of opinion than e.g. greed, joylessness, or contempt for fellow believers; as a result churches tend to let their pastor off the hook for these other sins, and treat him as &#8220;other&#8221; or &#8220;special&#8221; until he commits a sin that is an easily identifiable event with an identifiable victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Chapman</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-10508</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Pastors. Affairs. Power. Ethics. http://tr.im/olxp&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Pastors. Affairs. Power. Ethics. <a href="http://tr.im/olxp" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/olxp</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Don Chapman</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-8621</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;Don Chapman&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Pastors. Affairs. Power. Ethics. http://tr.im/olxp&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment">On Twitter, <span class="topsy_twitter_username">Don Chapman</span> said: <span class="topsy_trackback_content">Pastors. Affairs. Power. Ethics. <a href="http://tr.im/olxp" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/olxp</a></span><br />
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		<title>By: worshipideas</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-8539</link>
		<dc:creator>worshipideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;worshipideas&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Pastors. Affairs. Power. Ethics. http://tr.im/olxp&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<title>By: briandaugherty</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-10509</link>
		<dc:creator>briandaugherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@djchuang on pastors, affairs, power &amp; ethics &quot;Rules don’t change the heart.&quot; http://bit.ly/csl1T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Donaldson</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-8540</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Donaldson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;Joe Donaldson&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Crazy good post by DJChuang on clergy moral failure. Best I&#039;ve seen anywhere. http://bit.ly/csl1T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment">On Twitter, <span class="topsy_twitter_username">Joe Donaldson</span> said: <span class="topsy_trackback_content">Crazy good post by DJChuang on clergy moral failure. Best I&#8217;ve seen anywhere. <a href="http://bit.ly/csl1T" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/csl1T</a></span><br />
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		<title>By: secondchair</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-10447</link>
		<dc:creator>secondchair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Crazy good post by DJChuang on clergy moral failure. Best I&#039;ve seen anywhere. http://bit.ly/csl1T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Crazy good post by DJChuang on clergy moral failure. Best I&#8217;ve seen anywhere. <a href="http://bit.ly/csl1T" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/csl1T</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: paul dzubinski</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-8541</link>
		<dc:creator>paul dzubinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;paul dzubinski&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;&quot;Illicit relationships that form betwn male pastors &amp; their female victims r often mislabeled &#039;affairs.&#039;&quot; - read it http://bit.ly/csl1T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment">On Twitter, <span class="topsy_twitter_username">paul dzubinski</span> said: <span class="topsy_trackback_content">&#8220;Illicit relationships that form betwn male pastors &#038; their female victims r often mislabeled &#8216;affairs.&#8217;&#8221; &#8211; read it <a href="http://bit.ly/csl1T" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/csl1T</a></span><br />
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		<title>By: paul dzubinski</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-8542</link>
		<dc:creator>paul dzubinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;paul dzubinski&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;&quot;Illicit relationships that form betwn male pastors &amp; their female victims r often mislabeled &#039;affairs.&#039;&quot; - read it http://bit.ly/csl1T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment">On Twitter, <span class="topsy_twitter_username">paul dzubinski</span> said: <span class="topsy_trackback_content">&quot;Illicit relationships that form betwn male pastors &amp; their female victims r often mislabeled &#8216;affairs.&#8217;&quot; &#8211; read it <a href="http://bit.ly/csl1T" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/csl1T</a></span><br />
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		<title>By: pauldz</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-10448</link>
		<dc:creator>pauldz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;&quot;Illicit relationships that form betwn male pastors &amp; their female victims r often mislabeled &#039;affairs.&#039;&quot; - read it http://bit.ly/csl1T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">&#8220;Illicit relationships that form betwn male pastors &#038; their female victims r often mislabeled &#8216;affairs.&#8217;&#8221; &#8211; read it <a href="http://bit.ly/csl1T" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/csl1T</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: briandaugherty</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-8543</link>
		<dc:creator>briandaugherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;briandaugherty&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@djchuang on pastors, affairs, power &amp; ethics &quot;Rules don’t change the heart.&quot; http://bit.ly/csl1T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment">On Twitter, <span class="topsy_twitter_username">briandaugherty</span> said: <span class="topsy_trackback_content">@djchuang on pastors, affairs, power &#038; ethics &#8220;Rules don’t change the heart.&#8221; <a href="http://bit.ly/csl1T" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/csl1T</a></span><br />
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		<title>By: briandaugherty</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-8544</link>
		<dc:creator>briandaugherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;briandaugherty&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@djchuang on pastors, affairs, power &amp; ethics &quot;Rules don’t change the heart.&quot; http://bit.ly/csl1T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<title>By: Matt Branaugh</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/pastors-affairs-power-ethics/#comment-8545</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Branaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;Matt Branaugh&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @djchuang found shocking disturbing stats on clergy &amp; sex [djchuang.com] Pastors. Affairs. Power. Ethics. http://ow.ly/ddVC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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