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		<title>By: drewhyun</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7330</link>
		<dc:creator>drewhyun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, dj!  i&#039;ve posted a couple of comments already on her site.  it&#039;s kinda fun getting involved in these online discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, dj!  i&#39;ve posted a couple of comments already on her site.  it&#39;s kinda fun getting involved in these online discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: djchuang</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7329</link>
		<dc:creator>djchuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew, great discussion on Rah&#039;s book over at Julie Clawson&#039;s blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/06/book-review-the-next-evangelicalism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/06/book-review-...&lt;/a&gt; - 29 comments already, let&#039;s jump in there. Soong-Chan himself chimes in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew, great discussion on Rah&#39;s book over at Julie Clawson&#39;s blog <a href="http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/06/book-review-the-next-evangelicalism/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/06/book-review-" rel="nofollow">http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/06/book-review-</a>&#8230; &#8211; 29 comments already, let&#39;s jump in there. Soong-Chan himself chimes in there.</p>
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		<title>By: djchuang</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7327</link>
		<dc:creator>djchuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that is a spiritual truth, indeed, to lay down our lives and to accept Christ&#039;s lordship and sacrifice. What does that really look like in the real world? Is there a perfect &quot;biblical&quot; model for every leader in every context?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is a spiritual truth, indeed, to lay down our lives and to accept Christ&#39;s lordship and sacrifice. What does that really look like in the real world? Is there a perfect &#8220;biblical&#8221; model for every leader in every context?</p>
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		<title>By: djchuang</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7326</link>
		<dc:creator>djchuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the tyranny of the urgent and the over-prioritizing of the practical and short-term results has kept us from entering the much needed, and much absent, conversations that need to happen in a global multiethnic multicultural Christianity. The beautiful possibility of a multicultural Christian community is to have relationships that form a foundation for each of us to see more clearly beyond one&#039;s own cultural lenses. We all have blind spots, and we all have insights into other cultures, and together, we can uphold a richer Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the tyranny of the urgent and the over-prioritizing of the practical and short-term results has kept us from entering the much needed, and much absent, conversations that need to happen in a global multiethnic multicultural Christianity. The beautiful possibility of a multicultural Christian community is to have relationships that form a foundation for each of us to see more clearly beyond one&#39;s own cultural lenses. We all have blind spots, and we all have insights into other cultures, and together, we can uphold a richer Gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: djchuang</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7325</link>
		<dc:creator>djchuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for reply; so how could it be better written?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for reply; so how could it be better written?</p>
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		<title>By: erin</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7323</link>
		<dc:creator>erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 14:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks fascinating.&lt;br&gt;If you haven&#039;t already read it, definitely pick of Vinoth Ramachandra&#039;s book, &quot;Subverting Global Myths&quot; or D. Fitch&#039;s &quot;The Great Giveaway.&quot;  They are profound reads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks fascinating.<br />If you haven&#39;t already read it, definitely pick of Vinoth Ramachandra&#39;s book, &#8220;Subverting Global Myths&#8221; or D. Fitch&#39;s &#8220;The Great Giveaway.&#8221;  They are profound reads.</p>
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		<title>By: IndyChristian</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7319</link>
		<dc:creator>IndyChristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ&#039;s call to &#039;come follow me&#039; is a call to lay down one&#039;s (perceived) power.  It&#039;s a call to accept His lordship.  And to learn self-sacrifice.  Who among today&#039;s leaders are answering that call?  It may beg the redefining of leadership... toward a more biblical model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ&#39;s call to &#39;come follow me&#39; is a call to lay down one&#39;s (perceived) power.  It&#39;s a call to accept His lordship.  And to learn self-sacrifice.  Who among today&#39;s leaders are answering that call?  It may beg the redefining of leadership&#8230; toward a more biblical model.</p>
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		<title>By: drewhyun</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7316</link>
		<dc:creator>drewhyun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 02:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think this can definitely be the case.  Each of us come with our own biases, and I think it&#039;s true for non-westerners as well as westerners who critique the Christianity emerging in other parts of the world.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the question is, am I willing to listen to some of the critiques?  Hopefully the critiques are couched in love, though :)    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Interestingly, I think that most non-western Christians have the same observations of American Christianity that they would have of America as a whole - materialism, bigger is better, etc.  Most Christians I meet outside America offer their observations more as shock and surprise, rather than critique.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But yeah, I&#039;m sure some political resentment can color their perspectives too, especially if one dubs the US a Christian nation without acknowledging the religious diversity here (which I think some theocratic countries would likely do).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In sum though, it&#039;s a really cool phenomenon that we can even have this conversation about global perspectives on Christianity.  I&#039;m glad that there are so many folks from around the world who are wrestling over what Biblical Christianity looks like!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think this can definitely be the case.  Each of us come with our own biases, and I think it&#39;s true for non-westerners as well as westerners who critique the Christianity emerging in other parts of the world.  </p>
<p>I think the question is, am I willing to listen to some of the critiques?  Hopefully the critiques are couched in love, though <img src='http://djchuang.com/c/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />     </p>
<p>Interestingly, I think that most non-western Christians have the same observations of American Christianity that they would have of America as a whole &#8211; materialism, bigger is better, etc.  Most Christians I meet outside America offer their observations more as shock and surprise, rather than critique.  </p>
<p>But yeah, I&#39;m sure some political resentment can color their perspectives too, especially if one dubs the US a Christian nation without acknowledging the religious diversity here (which I think some theocratic countries would likely do).  </p>
<p>In sum though, it&#39;s a really cool phenomenon that we can even have this conversation about global perspectives on Christianity.  I&#39;m glad that there are so many folks from around the world who are wrestling over what Biblical Christianity looks like!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7315</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 02:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible for Christians in other cultures to let their political resentments of Western society color their Christianity? Do we know examples of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible for Christians in other cultures to let their political resentments of Western society color their Christianity? Do we know examples of this?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7314</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 02:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, OK. I wouldn&#039;t have perceived those problems as making your questions &quot;not safe.&quot; But I do understand what you mean now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On a side note, can we work toward a more inclusive faith where it&#039;s OK to be at various stages of certainly concerning what God has taught us? I don&#039;t feel comfortable telling someone their faith is simplistic or dogmatic just because they have arrived at conclusions I don&#039;t yet understand or embrace.  Just because I don&#039;t feel at peace with a certain issue should not mean nobody else can either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, OK. I wouldn&#39;t have perceived those problems as making your questions &#8220;not safe.&#8221; But I do understand what you mean now.</p>
<p>On a side note, can we work toward a more inclusive faith where it&#39;s OK to be at various stages of certainly concerning what God has taught us? I don&#39;t feel comfortable telling someone their faith is simplistic or dogmatic just because they have arrived at conclusions I don&#39;t yet understand or embrace.  Just because I don&#39;t feel at peace with a certain issue should not mean nobody else can either.</p>
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		<title>By: drewhyun</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7310</link>
		<dc:creator>drewhyun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post.  I just finished Rah&#039;s book too, and I was taken by many of its claims and perspectives.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At the very least, I think we (as the western church) can notice our &quot;blindspots&quot; when Christians from other countries come and observe some of our theological presuppositions and church practices.  I think it&#039;s safe to say that many Christians from outside America have keen insights into what may, or may not, look Biblical (such as racism, exorbitant and sometimes misguided use of wealth, etc). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We&#039;re (the western church) so immersed with what we&#039;re doing, that it&#039;s difficult to notice when we&#039;re adopting cultural values more than Biblical ones (hence the term blindspot).  Therefore, I think we&#039;re (the western church) at a disadvantage  from the start because it&#039;s hard to know which questions to ask ourselves, thereby settling for the sort of simplistic faith that dj refers to.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do think that bridge-building is the next frontier, where global perspectives from non-western christians and leaders are taken into account (and in fact welcomed) by the western church.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another book that&#039;s been kinda cool to read is Whose Religion is Christianity? by Lammin Sanneh.  It describes some of the amazing ways Christianity has been exploding in regions of the world untouched by the west.  Mike Keller recommended to me.  Good stuff. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In terms of institutional change, I think it will take bridge-building leadership from the people in power.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An interesting sidenote, is that I believe many African-Americans are wondering about what the country will look like for African Americans post-Obama... I heard of a discussion from some African American leaders that some fear that people may be misguided into thinking that now that there&#039;s been an African American president, all is well and that access is equal for everyone.  I think it&#039;s safe to say that as monumental as Obama&#039;s election was, there&#039;s still a long way to go in terms of empowering minority leaders.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;DJ, lemme know where you&#039;ll be discussing Rah&#039;s book.  I&#039;d love to join the discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post.  I just finished Rah&#39;s book too, and I was taken by many of its claims and perspectives.  </p>
<p>At the very least, I think we (as the western church) can notice our &#8220;blindspots&#8221; when Christians from other countries come and observe some of our theological presuppositions and church practices.  I think it&#39;s safe to say that many Christians from outside America have keen insights into what may, or may not, look Biblical (such as racism, exorbitant and sometimes misguided use of wealth, etc). </p>
<p>We&#39;re (the western church) so immersed with what we&#39;re doing, that it&#39;s difficult to notice when we&#39;re adopting cultural values more than Biblical ones (hence the term blindspot).  Therefore, I think we&#39;re (the western church) at a disadvantage  from the start because it&#39;s hard to know which questions to ask ourselves, thereby settling for the sort of simplistic faith that dj refers to.   </p>
<p>I do think that bridge-building is the next frontier, where global perspectives from non-western christians and leaders are taken into account (and in fact welcomed) by the western church.  </p>
<p>Another book that&#39;s been kinda cool to read is Whose Religion is Christianity? by Lammin Sanneh.  It describes some of the amazing ways Christianity has been exploding in regions of the world untouched by the west.  Mike Keller recommended to me.  Good stuff. </p>
<p>In terms of institutional change, I think it will take bridge-building leadership from the people in power.  </p>
<p>An interesting sidenote, is that I believe many African-Americans are wondering about what the country will look like for African Americans post-Obama&#8230; I heard of a discussion from some African American leaders that some fear that people may be misguided into thinking that now that there&#39;s been an African American president, all is well and that access is equal for everyone.  I think it&#39;s safe to say that as monumental as Obama&#39;s election was, there&#39;s still a long way to go in terms of empowering minority leaders.    </p>
<p>DJ, lemme know where you&#39;ll be discussing Rah&#39;s book.  I&#39;d love to join the discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: djchuang</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7309</link>
		<dc:creator>djchuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 11:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>questions are perceived as questioning authority or lacking faith; and some don&#039;t wrestle with the complexities and uncertainties and mysteries of faith, choosing a&lt;br&gt;simplistic or dogmatic faith</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-7308</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 10:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sadly, in too many contexts, it is not safe to ask questions of our church culture and its embedded values.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why? What do you risk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sadly, in too many contexts, it is not safe to ask questions of our church culture and its embedded values.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why? What do you risk?</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Chuang</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2009/how-churches-get-embedded-with-values/#comment-10597</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Chuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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