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		<title>By: The Dying Church</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2004/market-driven-church-market-driven-election/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dying Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The market-driven church&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;DJ Chuang on the market-driven church: For the pastors, they&#039;ll use the methods that grow the attendance at a church. If people respond to a carefully explained Bible teaching, that would be more common for more churches; people apparently respond...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The market-driven church</strong><br />DJ Chuang on the market-driven church: For the pastors, they&#8217;ll use the methods that grow the attendance at a church. If people respond to a carefully explained Bible teaching, that would be more common for more churches; people apparently respond&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: natala</title>
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		<dc:creator>natala</dc:creator>
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		<description>I am wondering how as the &#039;congregants&#039; can we encourage pastors to not use the marketing... &lt;br /&gt;
And how as citizens we can encourage politicians to not use negativity to win. I think partly it&#039;s our responsibility as citizens and congregants, the longer we accept it, the more they (pastors and politicians) will continue to use the same tactics.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wondering how as the &#8216;congregants&#8217; can we encourage pastors to not use the marketing&#8230; <br />
And how as citizens we can encourage politicians to not use negativity to win. I think partly it&#8217;s our responsibility as citizens and congregants, the longer we accept it, the more they (pastors and politicians) will continue to use the same tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Elrod</dc:creator>
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		<description>Natala:&lt;br /&gt;
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Not only do congregations accept it, they PROMOTE it!  As a former Associate Pastor of a large church in Lakeland, Florida, there was the constant pressure from the deacons, leaders and congregation to &quot;perform&quot; - or illicit &quot;results&quot; if you will.  Unfortunately church members and leaders (as do many pastors) based success on the same thing as the world - growth and numbers.  Unfortunately, we live in a world where a pastor&#039;s normal life-span in a church is two years.  If the pastor hasn&#039;t created numeric growth in that time, in most established &quot;old school&quot; churches - they are sent packing.  Therefore, &quot;marketing&quot; for results is largely to be blamed on the congregation itself.  That&#039;s not to say that a pastor&#039;s ego doesn&#039;t drive it also!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natala:</p>
<p>Not only do congregations accept it, they PROMOTE it!  As a former Associate Pastor of a large church in Lakeland, Florida, there was the constant pressure from the deacons, leaders and congregation to &#8220;perform&#8221; &#8211; or illicit &#8220;results&#8221; if you will.  Unfortunately church members and leaders (as do many pastors) based success on the same thing as the world &#8211; growth and numbers.  Unfortunately, we live in a world where a pastor&#8217;s normal life-span in a church is two years.  If the pastor hasn&#8217;t created numeric growth in that time, in most established &#8220;old school&#8221; churches &#8211; they are sent packing.  Therefore, &#8220;marketing&#8221; for results is largely to be blamed on the congregation itself.  That&#8217;s not to say that a pastor&#8217;s ego doesn&#8217;t drive it also!  <img src='http://djchuang.com/c/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2004/market-driven-church-market-driven-election/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted tis on another blog: &lt;br /&gt;
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Hmmm. How about, &quot;You are invited to Die?&quot; as a headline. I said that to a group the other day. We are invited to die to ourselves and everything that gets in the way of the reign of God. If I really want to live, I must first die. That sucks. I much like motivational sermons and life in the suburbs. Too bad that is not the message that Jesus proclaimed by his life. That is why I say, I don&#039;t have the guts to follow Jesus, so I settle for being a Christian.&lt;br /&gt;
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Peace. Great post!&lt;br /&gt;
Rick&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted tis on another blog: </p>
<p>Hmmm. How about, &#8220;You are invited to Die?&#8221; as a headline. I said that to a group the other day. We are invited to die to ourselves and everything that gets in the way of the reign of God. If I really want to live, I must first die. That sucks. I much like motivational sermons and life in the suburbs. Too bad that is not the message that Jesus proclaimed by his life. That is why I say, I don&#8217;t have the guts to follow Jesus, so I settle for being a Christian.</p>
<p>Peace. Great post!<br />
Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://djchuang.com/2004/market-driven-church-market-driven-election/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s tragic that churches - who have been given the ultimate counter-cultural message - end up buying the entire cultural package. &lt;br /&gt;
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Now I&#039;m not saying that marketing &lt;i&gt;your product&lt;/i&gt; is wrong - I&#039;ve seen lots of churches use multi-media, the web, direct mail, etc., to get their message across. But when the message is shaped by the market, that&#039;s why the three words often used to describe Christianity are &quot;boring, irrelevant, and untrue.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s tragic that churches &#8211; who have been given the ultimate counter-cultural message &#8211; end up buying the entire cultural package. </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not saying that marketing <i>your product</i> is wrong &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen lots of churches use multi-media, the web, direct mail, etc., to get their message across. But when the message is shaped by the market, that&#8217;s why the three words often used to describe Christianity are &#8220;boring, irrelevant, and untrue.&#8221;</p>
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